• Don LaMott
    0
    Greetings fellow Trimmers,

    I have been reading the Hog Ring forum and doing some on-line training trying to get back in the game after taking a twenty plus year break. Things have been progressing very rapidly as I have already completed a 1996 Glastron, a 1983 F150 full interior (which included repainting all the plastic with SEM paint), several motorcycle seats, and a 1952 170B Cessna. You don’t know it yet, but thank you so very much for all of your assistance and inspiration. Thanks to Mr. Muaddi also for the access to the Hog Ring and the wonderful articles. I found a gentleman, John Pollock, on YouTube from the Lucky needle who is a school trained Trimmer and has posted some helpful videos. John also has quit a few training videos that he sells as a course; they go into more detail than the regular videos. I was having real trouble with pattering and read about others using plastic to make patterns but until I went through his course it just didn’t click. I am going gang busters now and am creating my own custom seat patterns. I sent John an email with a couple of pictures where he had helped me pattern a seat and we started to email back and forth. I checked out his Facebook page and saw where he had taken a course with Mobile Solutions in Tempe, AZ after looking at some extremely nice door panels he created. I asked John how he came across the course and he said they have a website that has all their training on it. So I went on-line and checked it out and sure enough there was a course 4-7 August 2018 called “Master Tech Hot Rod.” It cost $1,500 for a four day course but when you look at what you can learn I thought there is no way I am passing this up.

    -insert tactical pause here-

    So, I retire out of the Army in 17 months and want to do Upholstery again. I used to help out my Dad when I was younger and have an extreme passion for working on cars; so in April I filed with the State and feds to Start Fish House Upholstery LLC. I have purchased 2 new Consews, a skiving machine, carpet binder and completely retooled my shop to focus on upholstery. My master genius plan was to start slowly, maybe do 2 or 3 projects a year and go full throttle when I retire. Plan “A” failed. I have more work than I can do, which feels awesome! I have had to take leave 3 times to finish jobs but at least I work for a very understanding boss. I am just glad I am not in a line unit anymore and my G3 Operation position will allow for a good transition.

    So I ran into a fellow name Ken on base who is a civilian that build three to four cars a year. I told him about the course I am going to and showed him the before and after pics of the F150 project. Ken was impressed enough to give me the interior job on the 68 Mercury he is working on. It works out perfect because he wants custom door panels and console which falls in line perfect with what I am going to learn next month. Anyway I am pretty nervous about posting anything as I really don’t know enough to be a very good contributor, but I am willing to learn and at least share my failures or successes for the betterment of the group. I would also like to make a pitch to see if there is any way to give John Pollock “the Lucky Needle” another chance to apply to the forum. He belonged before I got here and for whatever reason didn’t make the cut. The only thing I will say is through dealing with him I was able to translate the concepts you all were talking about into a step by step process that made perfect sense. I saw other folks posting the same questions I was having. His course cost me 40 bucks or something like that, which to me was more than reasonable, but even all the free info was a super helpful.

    Between this forum and taking some courses, and getting help from a local Master Trimmer, John Eckhart, things are going very well. I really wanted to say thank you all for your knowledge and great topics that you discuss. It is very informative as well as interesting and I look to the day that I will be able to contribute back to the profession that I truly love.

    I must also give a huge thank you to Mr. Cesar Chavez as I have been a long time subscriber to his YouTube channel and have gained a whole new appreciation for the art of wrapping interiors in leather.
    Thank you Sir.

    Does anyone here know of any other professional courses out there for Trimmers?

    Don LaMott
    Fish House Upholstery LLC.
    Boise, ID
    (208) 869-4057
  • Cesar Chavez
    15
    Hello Don, It seems you are seriously 100% getting involved in this beautiful upholstery trade.
    Even though I do not contribute much to the forum, just off and on, I enjoy a lot reading interesting upholstery articles (Big thanks to Naseem and Nadeem brothers for the effort, 'cause I know it is not easy!) and posts of many expert trimmers who eagerly share with us helpful tips. As a saying says: we never stop learning! And also think the main idea is pick up more knowledge everyday from here and there.
    I have watched some of master John Polock YouTube's videos and look pretty interesting to me. A passionate of the upholstery art too.
    But fortunately in this forum I have realized we also have excellent automotive upholstery teachers full of expertise who have written books and recorded DVD's
    http://www.thehogring.com/2018/05/16/these-5-trimmers-won-sid-chavers-dvds/
    http://www.thehogring.com/2017/09/28/learn-auto-upholstery-with-this-new-book/
  • Jens Jesberg
    50
    Yes, there is a course over here... it's called upholsterer education with the specialization of vehicle upholstery. The "course" lasts 3 years and you are even paid for it... :sweat:
    The money is not enough for rent and food and 5 times a year you drive 340 miles for 2 weeks each to school. There you will live in a dormitory which costs more in the 2 weeks than you earn per month. But at least the bad food is included in the price. :vomit:
    When you have survived the three years and pass the final test, then you are a saddler here in Germany in the first place. Before that it is forbidden to open your own workshop.
    But to be honest, after the 3 years you only got to know the basics about saddlery and you still haven't learned anything about running a workshop..... and even after almost 15 years I still learn more every day..... but at least it won't get boring. :sweat: :sweat: :sweat:

    This was a quick introduction to the German autoupholster educations. :wink:
  • Fred Mattson
    152
    The need for education seems to be one that a lot of trimmers would like to pursue. There are a lot of formal classes being offered that cost a lot of money and require months of commitment with mixed results.

    Next year I plan on holding "On Location Workshops" that will target specific tasks that trimmers are having trouble with. Workshops would be hosted in a trimmers shop with several other trimmers attending and completing the interior of the car.

    The logistics of holding these workshops are being worked out and will be announced later this year. If you are interested in a hands on workshop, you can message me and I will be happy to talk to you about it.
  • Darren Rawlings
    6
    That sounds good, wish you were in the UK!
  • Keith Mayne
    38
    Nothing is available in the uk apart from a few upholstery shops offering courses that seem aimed at the hobby person.We tried to get an apprentice but as there are no formal accredited course then funding is not available to help train a young person.
  • Fred Mattson
    152
    I do make house calls. That is the whole reason for the "On Location Workshop". I have found that a lot of people will not travel very far for anything. I have already been invited to Ireland to help, the UK is not that for away. I am still working on how to structure the program so that it will benefit those that attend.
  • Amelia Brooker
    5
    @Fred Mattson Looking forward to hearing more about your future workshops! It would be really great to connect with other trimmers. Everyone seems to have their own tricks and techniques, it's really nice to be able to share that in the auto upholstery community.
  • Don LaMott
    0
    @Fred Mattson That is a great idea. Do you currently offer training at your location? I am going to Tempe, AZ for a 4 day course on panels (as an example). The cost was 1,500. It includes nothing. :)
  • Don LaMott
    0
    @Jens Jesberg ah the good old apprentice system. Where a person could learn a trade from a true master. Not a bad deal. Wouldn’t want to change jobs very often
  • Chris Vining
    48

    Ive had no luck either !!!!!!!!! desperate to take someone on who I can trust will do a good job which is something that's hard to find
  • Fred Mattson
    152
    I am not set up to hold workshops at my location, that is why I am taking it on the road. There are many trimmers that have projects that are over their head and could use some additional help. These are the projects that I am looking for.
  • John Pollock
    10
    Hey thank you for having such great things to say about me and The Lucky Needle. Its really great to hear how much its helped you. I cant wait to see your future projects and new business successes!

    wow! thanks to referring to me as a master. I feel like I still have many years to be at your level. That's really great to hear you like my videos. I have watched many of yours videos as well and learned so much. I always find it so interesting how many different techniques you can learn in this trade. Everyone seems to develop their own style. One of the things I really enjoy about your videos is seeing how you and I do things differently because of the countries we live in and the supplies available to us. If you ever want to do some videos together let me know I think that could be a lot of fun and Id love you meet you.

    That's a really great idea! Do you have a lot of trainings scheduled? Id love to attend one if your in the California area.
  • Cesar Chavez
    15
    Hello John, It is so great to have here in this automotive upholstery forum ! Nice to meet you, through this means! Although, I have already met you through your interesting you tube videos.
    I still remember when you were on former channel along with another young mate. I used to watch and enjoy many of your upholstery videos at that time. If I well remember, it was the Young Guns channel...upholstery, designs and fabrication.
    I would like to commend you for your educational upholstery courses online! A praiseworthy effort because I know it is not an easy task to bring about these courses in a way to make an interested person learn.
    My best wishes and success to you and renovated Lucky Needle Channel!
  • John Pollock
    10


    You you have a good memory! Yes it was Young Guns. I was young and crazy back then and learned a lot really quickly about running a business. Unfortunately thing didn't work out between me an my partner and the business.

    Thanks! Yes all the courses and videos have been a lot of work. But seeing all the positive comments from people makes it all worth it. I'm sure that it is the same for you as well. Best wishes to you and you channel as well! You have been really busy this year making new videos!
  • Cody Lunning
    39
    Man I remember watching the young guns videos also, didn’t even put 2 and 2 together. Cesar you have a good eye and memory
  • Joseph Bennell
    5
    Same here Chris i'm desperate for an apprentice but know luck :sad:
  • Cesar Chavez
    15
    Education is the right word few upholsterers do not accept. The learning process should never stop, despite of being in the business for such a long time. We should be always trying to update and find new techniques to improve our jobs in order to please our customers and our own satisfaction.
    Just a particular opinion, thanks.
  • Chris Vining
    48

    I had a council woman come in and ask me about taking on an apprentice and I said ….. I will do it tomorrow if you can find somewhere that teaches what I do !!!!!!!!! she said no problem and will get back to me ………………….……….. she did and said ……………………….there isn't anyone in the uk that teaches what you do !!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Joseph Bennell
    5
    Ive had them all over at my shop mate, chamber of commerce, local council advisers and loads of apprenticeship agencies all have know answers, i would set up my own apprenticeship but i just don't know how.

    I did start getting involved with the FBHVC and Biscester heritage site because they were building the frame work for a restoration apprenticeship and needed advise and guidance on the trimming side of things but they stopped contacting me and i think dropped the trim section from the course.

    Something seriously needs to be done so that we can all benefit by taking on the next generation passing down our skills....I just don't know how to the the ball rolling, maybe if a few of us could get together we could form our own frame work specific to trimming then some how figure out how to get GOV funding.
  • Mark Davies
    0
    have you looked at upholstery Uk they do courses and getting bigger by the day
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