• Jim Nishida-Adams
    18
    Nadeem - I'm glad you put "mysterious" in quotes in your last reply because it made me realize that the title of that discussion not only fails to address the topic of a trade association, but would also make it hard to search for.

    So, let's focus specifically on the trade association issue. For those of you new to the conversation, a previously published article by Nadeem addresses some key points of the issue:

    Should Auto Trimmers Join SEMA PRO?

    Nadeem and Fred mention important topics to consider when trying to figure how a trade association could benefit the average shop owner. I've thought a lot about Nadeem's point of joining an existing organization or starting our own. I actually joined SEMA Pro and was very discouraged about the lack of representation and recognition our industry has. There are people at SEMA who mean well, but when SEMA is dominated by the restyling industry (which is very different from auto upholstery), it is obvious that this would be their focus.

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    Nadeem also mentioned the possibility of working with UTIC (Upholstery and Trim International Council), which is part of the ACA (Auto Care Association). Like SEMA, the ACA represents manufacturers of automotive products, distributors and the shops that install them. These multi-level organizations seem like a good fit for our trade, but sometimes it's hard to get attention on the kinds of issues that affect us --mostly small, independent auto upholstery shops.

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    One trade association that addresses many of the issues that we shop owners deal with is the ASA (Automotive Service Association). Here's a section from their "About Us" web page:

    What ASA Means to the Service Professional

    ASA has the experience and knowledge to serve your needs. As a 64-year-old not-for-profit trade association, ASA has served the needs of mechanical, transmission and collision shop owners.

    * ASA provides discounts on services you need to run your business. ASA’s benefits portfolio – the ASA Marketplace – offers more than 35 different programs from various leading organizations. Any one of these programs could easily pay for your yearly membership dues.

    * ASA supports positive legislation and combats proposed legislation that could harm our industry. Our full-time lobbyist spends time on Capitol Hill fighting for your rights and fights for local groups when regional issues arise. There is strength in numbers. By adding your voice to our membership rolls, ASA becomes a more effective organization. Learn more at TakingTheHill.com.

    * ASA reinvests your membership dollars in the industry through its legislative activities, annual trade shows and ongoing education initiatives.

    * ASA strives to provide you with the best management training possible. We have partnered with and contribute financially to the Automotive Management Institute. AMI offers a wide variety of business courses, all designed to help you make a profit and succeed in business. Upon completion of course requirements, you receive the certification of Accredited Automotive Manager. This designation is the only one of its kind for our industry.

    * ASA provides you with invaluable information. A monthly award-winning magazine, newsletters, a directory of members and a website with a consumer feature to find the nearest ASA shop are just a few of the tools at your fingertips. Many members say the information and research tools are worth the price of membership.

    * ASA business meetings and networking functions are instructional and informative. In addition to the world’s largest collision repair event, the International Autobody Congress and Exposition (NACE), ASA sponsors the Congress of Automotive Repair and Service (CARS) for our mechanical/transmission members, and we hold an annual business meeting for members. Technical and management seminars are the hallmark of ASA’s meetings, providing you the opportunity to share knowledge and enhance business relationships.

    * ASA can make the difference for you. Invest in the leading automotive trade association and let ASA work for you. If you want to be sure your views are heard and your membership dollars are used responsibly, join ASA today!

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    It is pretty easy to see how a shop owner could effectively grow his business and by belonging to such a group. I talked to the presidient of ASA a couple of years ago, and he indicated that the group had been looking to reach out to other service professionals beside those in the mechanic and collision shops. ASA also has a code of ethics that reminds me very much of the code of ethics that we subscribed to as members of the now defunct National Association of Auto Trim Shops.
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    ASA’s Code of Ethics

    The owners and managers of automotive service businesses that belong to the Automotive Service Association (ASA) agree to adhere to a Code of Ethics. ASA’s Code of Ethics is the automotive service industry’s standard for professional business practices.

    * To perform high-quality repair service at a fair and just price.
    * To use only proven merchandise of high quality distributed by reputable firms.
    * To employ the best skilled technicians obtainable.
    * To furnish an itemized invoice for fairly priced parts and services that clearly identifies any used or remanufactured parts. Replaced parts may be inspected upon request.
    * To have a sense of personal obligation to each customer.
    * To promote good will between the motorist and members of the association.
    * To recommend corrective and maintenance services, explaining to the customer which of these are required to correct existing problems and which are for preventive maintenance.
    * To offer the customer a price estimate for work to be performed.
    * To furnish or post copies of any warranties covering parts or services.
    * To obtain prior authorization for all work done, in writing, or by other means satisfactory to the customer.
    * To notify the customer if appointments or completion promises cannot be kept.
    * To maintain customer service records for one year or more.
    * To exercise reasonable care for the customer’s property while in our possession.
    * To maintain a system for fair settlement of customer’s complaints.
    * To cooperate with established consumer complaint mediation activities.
    * To uphold the high standards of our profession and always seek to correct any and all abuses within the automotive industry.
    * To uphold the integrity of all members of the Automotive Service Association.

    If one of our goals is to be recognized on equal footing with other after market automotive service shops, then trying to incorporate these values into our business mode is a great way to achieve that.

    Aside from joining an already existing trade association, I think it is worth considering the possibility of forming our own. As difficult as this sounds, remember that all of the big trade associations started somewhere. It would be important to reach out to related industries, and one of the most obvious to me is auto manufacturers and tier one suppliers of auto interior products (Lear, Johnson Controls, Faurecia). A partnership with the designers and makers of the products that we service seems like a natural fit. It could give all involved a deep base of knowledge from which to create training and education programs that lead to a broader pool of potential employees. If we continued this line of conversation and teased out the benefits for everyone involved, it's easy to see how funding such an organization would be easier than a $100 yearly membership from small upholstery shops.

    I'm nearing the end of my career as an auto upholsterer, but I will always have enthusiasm for our trade. Throughout history, upholsterers have been in and out of the limelight. It wasn't long ago that trim shops like the ones many of us own and operate were an integral part of the auto manufacturing world. Have a look at one of our trade journals from 1921:

    Motor Body, Paint and Trim

    Many shop owners I have talked to over the years share the same feelings of frustration about our industry and have many of the same ideas about how things could be better. Conversations like these are where it all starts, but we all know that it's not where it ends. It takes effort, but the right team of people can do great things. Like Fred Mattson said, "Networking and training are key elements to a successful industry." Look at how shop owners in other industries benefit greatly from being part of a supportive network of like people who contribute knowledge, buying power, and opportunity, and you begin to realize that there are much better ways to grow your business than the way many of us have been doing.
  • Nadeem Muaddi
    84
    Thanks for starting a new thread Jim. This one will definitely be easier to search for as we continue to discuss this important subject.

    I agree with everything you said above. And ASA sounds like a really great association. I wonder how close they are to expanding to include upholstery shops. Maybe it's something you can ask them?

    You're right that it's not impossible to start our own association. It would definitely need a handful of organized and dedicated people. But I'd like to think there's enough folks in the industry to make that happen.

    Either route you chose, THR could definitely help publicize it -- making sure every shop in the country knows about its existence and the benefits of membership.

    Is this something you're looking to spearhead?
  • Andy Laird
    43
    Well... Hmmm... count me out!!!

    This association / that association, for me It all seems tooo close to a union type of situation. Pay this organisation $ to supposedly represent me. While at the same time imposing rules for me to abide by weather I agree with it or not. Hey why not grow this origination into something really big. Get all of the suppliers to sell only to those businesses who are members. "If you don't agree you don't do business"
    Or maybe we could even employ some lobbyists to push our ideas on congress, and get some new laws passed to keep non-members from doing business. I know this is a far-fetched, skeptical way to look at things, but I'm very politically minded. It's just how I think.

    I do see the advantages of some of the things mentioned above, but I'm far too independent to abide by any rules set by some association. Honestly my customers could care less if I'm part of some association. I could possibly see it if I planned to have a large shop with several employees. Or if I was working on new high tech. cars and dealing with SRS (airbag stuff) or some new newfangled safety thing I've never heard about . I do believe in being certified for that type of work. But that's just not for me. Besides, The Hog Ring is already giving us some of the representation mentioned above!

    Look at how shop owners in other industries benefit greatly from being part of a supportive network of like people who contribute knowledge, buying power, and opportunity, and you begin to realize that there are much better ways to grow your business than the way many of us have been doing.Jim Nishida-Adams

    I've worked for a couple of companies that were ISO xxxx certified. The only time they met those certified standards was the week before and the week after inspection. Then it was back to business as usual. But without that "certification" they lose the ability to do business with a large % of the rest of the country.......
    you begin to realize that there are much better ways to grow your business than the way many of us have been doing.Jim Nishida-Adams
    .... Until It's the Only way to grow your business.

    With that said, I mean no offense to anyone. These are just my opinions. As always opinions are like our backsides. Everyone's got one and they all stink!
  • Nadeem Muaddi
    84
    No offense taken. I think you raise some really important points. And I'm sure there are others in our industry who would have similar concerns. I think anyone who takes on the challenge of launching an industry association needs to consider these points, whether or not they agree.
  • Jim Nishida-Adams
    18
    Hang on . . . another long reply coming soon

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  • Joseph Bennell
    5
    Over here in the UK there isn't a single organisation or association that represents trimmers in anyway, there isn't even a government recognised apprenticeship its like a forgotten trade over here.

    I feel like what Naseem and Nadeem have done for the industry by making this forum is enough for the industry to grow just as long as we share information freely without being scared of what that might happen, we all need to learn from each others mistakes and triumphs which will help the industry grow faster but only if we all chip in.
  • Tracy Weaver
    4
    Ive been approached an Im talking to a group of people about being part of Sema as a person/shop to input for our part of the industry, Just a idea or discussion at this time. I cant say anything more at this time but i will elaborate after Sema this year
  • Jim Nishida-Adams
    18
    These replies bring up a lot of issues that I would really like to talk about in greater detail. I am working on a reply that will address them in a way that a twitter-like reply cannot.

    One thing I do want to say is that labor unions, certifications, and trade associations are very different things. Andy's reply says, "It all seems too close to a union type of situation." Honestly, I'm not sure why you think that, Andy. You didn't explain other than to say. " It's just how I think."

    You also mentioned that certification was abused in a couple of companies you worked for. The only place that certification was mentioned in my original post was when I copied the section of ASA's website "What ASA Means to the Service Professional." It says, "Upon completion of course requirements, you receive the certification of Accredited Automotive Manager." It just means that you've finished all the courses.

    I know my original post is very long, and people have trouble processing more than a few sentences at at time these days, but if you are seriously interested in finding new ways to grow your business, please take some time and read the first post carefully and think about whether or not you could benefit from a trade association. The benefits of a good trade association is for people who are seriously interested in finding new ways to grow/improve your business through networking and training, as Fred said before.
  • Fred Mattson
    152
    A trade association is nothing more than tradesmen (generic term. Women are also encouraged) gathering together to discuss and possibly solve industry issues and maybe break bread to share ideas. Not that much more than posting on the Hog Ring forum.

    With this in mind, meeting face to face and holding an occasional convention with like minded people to share ideas and experiences, meet with industry vendors and other professionals. No one is an island and we all have customer issues, supplier issues and I hate to say . . . issues with each other.

    Nothing will be settled here in the short term, but rather the continuing of sharing of ideas and concerns.
  • Andy Laird
    43
    Jim. I did explain why I think it feels like a union situation in the 2, & 3 sentence of my reply.

    Pay this organisation $ to supposedly represent me. While at the same time imposing rules for me to abide by weather I agree with it or not.Andy Laird

    That was mainly responding to the ASA example you provided above. I'm not saying its the same thing as a union. But Unions do squeeze out the little guy. You play by their rules and pay them to represent you, or you cant work in an area they control. (That can happen with any association.)
    There are other associations that have done the same thing. Not to the extent of the union example, but without the association badge (training certificate) it can be near impossible to get your foot in the door or start working in that field.

    I'm using "Unions" generically to try and point out some of the possible negatives of any origination.
    I should not assume that others will have the same negative experience with unions, or even see them as a negative in the first place as I do. I'll try my best to keep that in mind in the future. Comprehension or processing the information discussed is is not hard, & I have no trouble with that. Where I struggle is putting my thoughts into words. I'm an upholstery guy not a writer. So I'll do my best to explain why I feel the way I do from now on.

    I have a family member who is self employed in an occupation that is far more unknown and obscure than auto upholstery. They are a member of a guild which approx. 4,000 members world wide. This person has the training certificate form the guild, which is the only way to do business with 90% of the retail locations that sell the items being serviced. To get started in that line of work you need that guild badge in order to build up a customer base. The customers ask the retail locations to recommend a technician, and they will only recommend a certified tech. with the badge.
    This particular occupation has nothing to do with safety, or complying with state or fed. regulations. It is much more of a skilled artistic line of work. In no way should anyone need to be certified to be in that line of work. But it is now its hard to get your foot in the door without it. This guild started as a way for people in the same line of work to learn from each other, and have some kind of representation with manufacturers. It never started with the idea of trying to keep new people out, but rather to bring them in and help them grow in their profession. Either the people that head the guild got greedy and want it this way (not likely), or the industry just naturally went that direction. To me that is a big turn off.

    Eventually the free market will correct it. If there is a need for goods or service, there will always be someone there to fill that need. As long as there is a way to profit form it. That "profit" weather it be $, a sense of obligation, or pride. Supply and demand free from any intervention by a government, price-setting monopoly, or other authority is the key. Maybe there is a need for this service or trade association. I wish you the best in that endeavor... heck you may even convince me.

    But for now..

    We have a place to exchange ideas learn and grow from one another right here on THR. Thanks to the awesome work of the Mauddi brothers. You are the best!
  • Michael McKean
    5
    I've always thought that an annual convention for.our industry would be great. Get the major suppliers, some speakers about the nuts n bolts of business, some dos n donts, some seminars, some new product displays n demonstrations and of course the networking would be priceless.
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